tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7942601.post8922640965014615255..comments2023-10-14T08:32:48.543-05:00Comments on Wild Rumpus: And He never said a mumblin' wordPrincessMaxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09197008991622181061noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7942601.post-3380686073442191112008-05-14T08:55:00.000-05:002008-05-14T08:55:00.000-05:00Ali, I love hearing how sympatico we continue to b...Ali, I love hearing how sympatico we continue to be after 25 years.<BR/><BR/>Erika, what a beautiful story. Thank you for sharing it here. I feel so bouyed up that my blog is one of the places you visit since I have so much respect for your writing, your choices and your perspective.<BR/><BR/>Jess, you can brown-nose as much as you want because I'm going to do it right back. I don't disagree with you at all. I definitely mean multi-cultural when I frame it in terms of race. In America, I think race is an easy heuristic (rule of thumb, Dad)for all that other stuff because if we deal with the racism, I think everything else will fall in line. I might be wrong. I'm going to think about that some more.<BR/><BR/>Mike, I'm going to respond soon but now I have to go to class because I left a big comment on your wife's blog and it took all my morning time.PrincessMaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09197008991622181061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7942601.post-30725677876046523972008-05-12T23:29:00.000-05:002008-05-12T23:29:00.000-05:00Great post Rebecca! I've personally been especiall...Great post Rebecca! <BR/><BR/>I've personally been especially struck by the need for "us" whites to go join people of color where they are at, not just hope that they will come to us. I think that's really important.<BR/><BR/>However, one question that occurs to me is whether we (meaning emergents like myself) will be welcomed there if we do that? <BR/><BR/>I ask this because in some of the online conversations I have participated in related to this topic two complaints have been expressed about emergents:<BR/>1) we're not diverse enough; and <BR/>2) we're all a bunch of heretics anyway.<BR/><BR/>If that second one is a common sentiment about emergents among urban/ethnic church leaders (the ones that have heard of us anyway), then if I were to begin attending at, say, an urban African American church, I think I might be more afraid of being rejected for my theology (just as I was at a white suburban evangelical church) than for my race. <BR/><BR/>I guess I'm just worried that racial/ethnic diversity doesn't always go hand in hand with theological diversity, and I'd really, really like to have both.<BR/><BR/>Does that concern make sense? Any thoughts?Mike Clawsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10008278832818422945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7942601.post-61525673599398736712008-05-12T08:49:00.000-05:002008-05-12T08:49:00.000-05:00First off, amazing post. I don't know how to agre...First off, amazing post. I don't know how to agree with this more without sounding like a brown-noser.<BR/><BR/>My only counter-point for discussion is this. I wonder if this focus of white-homogenity is focused too much on just the differences of skin color. Wouldn't it be just as awesome if my Gypsie-Czech-Romanian (white) neighbor decided that an emergent church felt like home to him as it would be if an American or African black man felt the same?<BR/><BR/>Would it be viewed as the same success if an American-born Iranian (mostly Arian in physical features) were accepted as an author for an emergent book deal as if a dark-skinned Bolivian were given the same book deal?<BR/><BR/>Just furthering the idea of multi-cultural in place of multi-colored.Jake and Jesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04720110277495931725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7942601.post-6553025736617880092008-05-11T22:48:00.000-05:002008-05-11T22:48:00.000-05:00Rebecca,What a great post! Thank you for challengi...Rebecca,<BR/><BR/>What a great post! Thank you for challenging the default settings and sharing a bit of what it could look like to move beyond HCG 2.0.<BR/><BR/>At our church, we have the practice of always reading our biblical text in both Spanish and English. I was preaching today and as I was doing my intro I had this feeling that maybe I should just do the text in English and skip the Spanish version. We had had a special Mother's Day brunch and I was concerned about the time and the text was long, etc. And, Doug had printed the text in both languages for people to have so I kind of justified it in my mind that our Spanish speakers could just look at the handout if they wanted (the reality is that there are likely some who do not read so that was pretty bogus on my part).<BR/><BR/>At the last minute, I decided to go ahead and read in both languages. When I finished reading in Spanish, there was all of this audible response from the congregation: a response of appreciation and gratitude for the reading of God's word in the native tongue of many gathered. I realized how foolish, and selfish, my thoughts had been and I was so glad I didn't listen to myself!<BR/><BR/>All of this to say, even those of us who are really pursuing the multi-cultural thing still need to hear what you say here.<BR/><BR/>Thanks!Erika Haubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14840841506229777608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7942601.post-60404862717999723412008-05-11T20:11:00.000-05:002008-05-11T20:11:00.000-05:00R, way to tackle this issue from inside the moveme...R, way to tackle this issue from inside the movement. I think this is (dare I say it) TOP PRIORITY for the emergent movement if we actually intend to emerge anywhere beyond reaching some sympathetic Boomers, a bunch of Xers and a few Millenials. It's one of the places where groups like CCDA and SP and even the multiethnic movements in IVCF the ECC have a lot to offer us...<BR/><BR/>May we have the courage to mumble. A lot.ABGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00603257021104542647noreply@blogger.com